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Hi MEMO1DOMINION,

I came on here expecting to meet more Robotech fans, I didn't realize I'd run into the Macross purist troll, who likes to flame Robotech day-in and day-out.

Since he's fired the first shot (again, as usual), I certainly invoke right of reply. I don't know what the purist means when he accuses me of being a flame-baiter, when all the purist wants to do all day is tell us how Robotech is bad and Macross is superior.

I go and post my contributions about Hardcore Robotechnology, and all he wants to do is contribute the same tired old drivel again and again, like he thinks we haven't heard it before.
(ie. Protoculture is a stupid idea, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum)

What I see that the purists want is to sew dissension and strife, in the interest of demoralizing the fandom and getting rid of Robotech entirely, so that their "pure, perfect" Macross series is the only one left. I, for one, happen to believe that Robotech is an improvement over Macross, and don't like hearing the never-ending bashing from the purist trolls who never shut up.

I don't like flame-wars, but certainly I'll stand up for the story epic that I enjoyed as a kid, rather than see others try to rake it through the mud for their own dishonest and nutty reasons.

sanman

man wrote:

I came on here expecting to meet more Robotech fans, I didn't realize I'd run into the Macross purist troll, who likes to flame Robotech day-in and day-out.

I see you have no intention of stopping the immature behavior that has led so many of your fellow fans on Robotech.com to consider you an embarrassment to the fanbase.



man wrote:

Since he's fired the first shot (again, as usual), I certainly invoke right of reply. I don't know what the purist means when he accuses me of being a flame-baiter, when all the purist wants to do all day is tell us how Robotech is bad and Macross is superior.

Let's see... thus far you've established a long-running track record of responding to posts you don't like with totally irrelevant attacks on Macross, as though they'd somehow make your arguments less faulty. You're clearly hoping to start a flame-war by doing so. (Yes, I've read your charming little thread about it on RDF HQ)

That makes you a flame-baiter. You leap right to accusing other members of being trolls and attacking shows that have little-to-no relevance to the discussion at hand. Note that at no point during this thread have I ever postulated that Macross was in any way better than Robotech.

In fact, I have great respect for Robotech and the instrumental role it played in shaping the American anime industry. I don't consider it flawless by any means, but it's a damn sight better than a lot of what was coming out back in the 80's, and despite their scorn for it, a great many Macross fans were introduced to their favorite show through Robotech. I think that Robotech has been badly mishandled, and that Harmony Gold is almost totally out of touch with the fanbase, and that current storylines are coasting on leftovers from Carl Macek's tenure (namely, Shadow Chronicles is a Frankenstein's monster assembled from the corpses of the Sentinels TV series, novels, and comics). That doesn't mean I'm not a fan... it just means that, like so many others, I'm a DISSATISFIED fan.


man wrote:

I go and post my contributions about Hardcore Robotechnology, and all he wants to do is contribute the same tired old drivel again and again, like he thinks we haven't heard it before.
(ie. Protoculture is a stupid idea, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum)

Actually, at no point have I said that protoculture is a stupid idea either. Many of our fellow fans are aware how I went to bat IN FAVOR OF PROTOCULTURE fuel when Tommy first announced the fusion retcon for the UEDF mecha. It may be poorly explained, and the one official explanation may not make much sense, but it's still integral to the story.

You're attempting to construct a straw man argument for whatever reason, and I assure you everyone present can see right through it... these people know me far better than they know you.


man wrote:

What I see that the purists want is to sew dissension and strife, in the interest of demoralizing the fandom and getting rid of Robotech entirely, so that their "pure, perfect" Macross series is the only one left. I, for one, happen to believe that Robotech is an improvement over Macross, and don't like hearing the never-ending bashing from the purist trolls who never shut up.

Amazingly, you fail to acknowledge that the one causing strife here is YOU. You're coming out with personal attacks and accusations of trolling, when prior to your involvement we were having a civil discussion about the current state of affairs on Robotech.com and at Harmony Gold. If you can be civil, I'll be happy to listen to your input, but if all you have to offer is bile and personal attacks, I'll kindly ask you to shut the hell up and go home.




Hell, the fact that you were allowed to carry on your flame-baiting on Robotech.com for as long as you did just goes to show how poor the moderator coverage there is. So many of the active moderators have left the fanbase in frustration, leaving the site essentially unmoderated most of the time.